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01/04/24 11:13 AM #12042    

 

Michael Wetzel

DeWitt,

Excellent Plan !.The most practical, and easiest solution yet...And it didn't require 5,000 words, to formulate.............


01/04/24 11:38 AM #12043    

Mike Lorts

I can understand why Jim likes Dewitt's plan. It could be named The Bumper Sticker Plan. It shows how much many of you hate to read much beyond a bumper sticker.


01/04/24 12:00 PM #12044    

 

Frank Wiley

De Witt--I like your plan because it aligns with one of my philosophies.  K.I.S.S.--Keep It Simple••••••I'll leave it to the reader to fill in the word for the last S.


01/04/24 12:35 PM #12045    

 

Earl Harris III

 

Hello, Message Forum Participants (Readers, Contributors or Both)!

 

The New Year has arrived. At our house our extended blended families came together for the better part of two weeks to enjoy the Christmas Holiday and to ring in the New Year. Here’s hoping that you, too, had a joyous Holiday Season. Best wishes for good health and good cheer in 2024!

 

Despite valiant efforts by some members to fact-check though research of various questionable assertions posted here, many of the back-and-forth exchanges do not seem to be particularly helpful in terms of encouraging better understanding. As a proponent of civil discourse, especially with those with whom we have disagreements, I am especially  disappointed whenever I come across hate-filled rants, name-calling or other forms of personal attacks against former classmates. 

 

It is my hope for 2024 that we will work harder to communicate about issues and problems our country faces in more productive ways. This partisan train that we are is going nowhere. All of us have admitted that very little can be done to change our political and ideological positions. There appears to be no one on the fence, so to speak. 

 

It is in this vein that I want to give a special shout to those who are continuing to be as fact-based as possible with their entries and those attempting to lower the heat by switching the focus occasionally to other topics of more universal interest and potential agreement. Funny jokes, personal stories, favorite movies and songs, reflections on our high school days together, including memorable events, a note or two of praise for a classmate, or a special teacher or staff member are topics that can speak to the common sense of dignity and humanity in all of us.

 

Personally, I would rather see conversations where we could talk about our journeys since high school and how we have come to be who we are today. Two of the most enjoyable and insightful contributions I found on the camelback65.com site were short bios in the Classmate Profile section. After having read them, I thought how wonderful it might be if we knew a little bit more about how other members have spent their lives over the past 58 years. Everyone has a story to tell, a life that is unique and has contributed greatly to a whole host of opinions and positions embraced today.


01/04/24 12:45 PM #12046    

 

Earl Harris III

 Classmates,

As a follow-up to my previous post, I wanted to share with you an editorial piece that I read this morning in the Washington Post. It appears in its entirety below. I would hope that all of you, friend and foe alike, would take the time to read and reflect on the possible meaning it might have for us keyboard warriors.

Best,

Earl

Opinion by Amanda Ripley, Washington Post

January 4, 2024 at 3:00 a.m. PT

 

 

Humans carve the world cleanly in two when they feel threatened. There’s a right and a wrong, a good and an evil, an us and a them. In normal times, this behavior is most obvious in people with serious depression or borderline personality disorder. Psychologists call it “splitting.”  

 

These days, we see a lot of splitting by all kinds of people, from students to senators. “This fight is barbarism against civilization, good versus evil,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) said after the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel. “The differences between the two sides are as stark as darkness and light.”

 

In times of high anxiety, each new conflict gets framed this way, a galactic struggle against a dark lord. Complexity is intolerable; ambivalence is cowardly. During the racial justice protests in 2020, all cops were bastards — or so the slogan went. You were either a racist or an anti-racist. “There is no inbetween safe space of ‘not racist,’” Ibram X. Kendi wrote.

 

Splitting is deeply comforting, down in your gut. It promises an escape hatch from chaos. If we read the right books and put up the right lawn signs, it whispers, “We can be safe here, on the side of good, far from them.”

 

But like most cognitive distortions, splitting makes us feel worse after it makes us feel better. Bright lines have a way of hardening into prison bars. “When besieged, we tend to raise our mental drawbridges and shut out new information just when it is needed most,” Maggie Jackson writes in her new book, “Uncertain: The Wisdom and Wonder of Being Unsure.” “The catch-22 is clear. We yearn for clarity when we know least about our predicament.”

 

We also start to misidentify our enemies — and our heroes. We can’t integrate information that doesn’t fit the narrative. Every day, our blind spots grow. When splitting, people “get stuck in either the thesis or the antithesis,” pioneering psychologist Marsha M. Linehan wrote, “unable to move toward synthesis.”

 

As President George W. Bush led the country into two catastrophic wars, he split the world into two oversimplified camps: the United States and evil. He referred to “evil” in 319 speeches, or nearly a third of all his speeches in his first 2½ years in office according to Peter Singer’s book “The President of Good and Evil.” That kind of clarity felt reassuring to many millions of Americans, but it left no room for doubt — or for reality. Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein could be brutal and deceptive and pose no clear threat to the security of the United States. Many things can be true at once. People usually don’t fit into convenient categories, try as we might to sort them that way.

 

For example, about 20 percent of Israel’s citizens are Arab. Where do those 2 million people fit in a split universe? Last month, 70 percent of these Arab citizens said they felt part of Israel — up from just 48 percent in June. Meanwhile, among Jewish Israelis, less than 4 percent said they trust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the most reliable source of information on the war against Hamas, according to another poll. How do we make sense of this? Splitting is a broken compass in a byzantine world.

 

Most of us feel unsure and conflicted about how to solve hard problems, from war in the Middle East to racism in America. When politicians and activists split us apart, and hear only from extremists, they lose touch with that reality. For years before Roe v. Wade was overturned, it was clear many Republicans did not fit neatly into the antiabortion camp. About a third said they supported legal abortion if a woman wanted one for any reason, according to the 2021 General Social Survey. And yet, when voters from Kansas to Ohio protected abortion rights, it somehow came as a surprise to many political experts.

 

Likewise, when it comes to climate change, there are not two groups — deniers and believers — and there never were. Since 2008, researchers Anthony Leiserowitz and Edward Maibach have been tracking American public opinion on the subject, and they have identified no fewer than six groups — from the Alarmed to the Disengaged to the Dismissive — which have shifted in size over the years. (Want to find out which group you’re in? Take the Six Americas Quiz here! I am “Concerned.”)

 

The lesson here is to always assume that humans reside along a spectrum of behavior — if they fit anywhere at all. Journalists, in particular, must help us see this — by interviewing people who have changed their minds or who are unsure and don’t fit neatly into one camp. Amplify their voices; they are a lot like most of us.

 

One of the most helpful things I’ve read since this war in Gaza began was Lulu Garcia-Navarro’s interview with the Israeli writer Etgar Keret for the New York Times. In the days after Hamas’s attacks, he felt the urge to split — and he was actively fighting it, working to see the fuller catastrophe, so to speak: “I think that in our souls, or our minds, or whatever you call it, there is something very complex, some ability to contain ambiguity, not to be swept with only one emotion. To be able to inhale the complexity of existing,” he said.

 

To Americans more than 5,000 miles away, feuding over whether this public school system or that college leader was sufficiently outraged, he had this to say: “That’s crazy. This idea of people saying: Condemn this, condemn that. I don’t want anybody to condemn anything. I say, be human. You see somebody in pain, try to see that pain.”

 

That may be the best advice for living in a time like this: “Inhale the complexity.” See the pain. Beware black-and-white thinking — and rest your tired eyes on the gray. That’s where all the action is.


01/04/24 02:40 PM #12047    

 

Jim Coats

Mike Lorts. You finally got it! My little boy has grown up.

On another subject.  We've been taking down our interior and exterior Christmas decorations.  It'll take about one full day because we aren't union and we take our time.  The decorations (to celebrate the birth of our Savior) actually took almost a week to put up because we kept thinking of additional ideas.

Somehow, this reminds me of our country.  It took around 250 years to make the United States of America the most admired and respected country on the planet....and it has taken just a few short decades to find our country in total decline....all because of left wing idealogy.  What a damned shame.

SECURE THE BORDER!!  ENFORCE THE LAW!!  AMERICA FIRST!!

PARENTS RIGHTS!!  FOLLOW THE MONEY!!


01/04/24 07:33 PM #12048    

Mike Lorts

I believe an integral part of fixing the border issue is insisting that Mexico assumes responsibility for migrants they allow to enter their southern border. If Mexico accepts these migrants into their country those migrants are now Mexico's responsibility. Otherwise don't allow them to enter. 


01/04/24 07:38 PM #12049    

 

Bill RIHS

Mike Lorts, totally agree on Mexico's responsibility for not allowing the free flow of imigrants into their country.


01/04/24 09:02 PM #12050    

 

Jim Coats

Mike Lorts.  100% agree with your last post.  Now, please call Mr. Biden and Mayorkas and mention that to them so they'll figure out how to get it done.  If they don't know how, tell them to ask Trump.  It worked when he was in office.  Maybe that'll be the first step toward SECURE THE BORDER!!


01/04/24 10:35 PM #12051    

 

Michael Kelly

Lorts your 12210 is what Trump was doing clear up to 1/20/21 it was calle!d the "Remain in Mexico " Policy, Glad your catching up in your thought process.

DeWitt your 12200 needs to be a Bumper Sticker and people need to buy Vehicles large  enough to place that Bumper Sticker  upon.

Some very good reading in the Genre of Mystery/Action/History are the books by Stephen Hunter. One of his Books Sniper was made into a Movie featuring Mark Wahlberg. One  of his Novels gives a good History of the origin and history of the Samurai Swords and the Forging process used to make such excellent Steel. 

The Border Crisis will continue until the people who are trusted with enforcing the Immigration Law really set out and execute the presently existing Law. Presently, we have a President who is not willing to do so because he has a different purpose for leaving the Border open other than "fixing the broken Immigration Law that exists" because You cannot Say you have a handle on fixing something if you never made an attempt to put into use the existing system. I have never seen a cart that is being pushed ahead of an intelligent Mule or Horse, or a Rickshaw being pushed ahead of a Chinaman. Likewise, you can't say something is broken, unless you have enough knowledge from using it, so that you can intelligently identify what is supposedly not working. I thought we all learned this basic premise from our High School years, otherwise youall wasted your time. Maybe you should have taken Auto Shop. 

It is downright Boring to read some of the comments herein, so I don't. All the minutiae about the Border seems to be like nibbling around the floor of a Large Safe immediately overhead, until the fateful day your the Nibbler who takes the last Bite, the floor falls in and your the large, red, smudge on the floor immediately under the Large Safe. Maybe you want to say the comments were great, but no one will hear you because your molecules are situate under the Safe. 

Trumps handling of the Border was absolutely Fool Proof, and Biden's handling of same has revealed the Fool and the Proof is there for all of us to see. 


01/04/24 11:22 PM #12052    

 

Dennis Moran

Mary,

my suggestion for a story would involve the haunting , murders, disappearances in Lake Havasu city and would involve 699 London Bridge Rd, 

Bridge sold and moved.

Captain Kidd was taken from Newgate prision 1701 ...executed by gibbeting at the dock but he was moved to London Bridge.    facts yes except for the removal to London Bridge.

See what you think....it has centuries available for story building.

Dennis.

PS.

a small town in Quebec is where my wife is from Sainte-Therese check for accent marks above the .... e  .....'s

its beautiful and anyone can walk the the town in a complete circle.

just in case your thinking of a town in Quebec, Canada.

 


01/05/24 09:13 AM #12053    

 

Jim Coats

Mike Kelly.  To take your previous post a bit further, I think the dam has burst and unless something really big happens, this country is in big trouble and WE are going to live long enough to see our beloved USA circle the drain.

I completely agree with Nikki Haley when she says that chaos follows Trump and that we cannot successfully govern in chaos.  But, what are we going to do?  The left can continue pontificating and nothing gets done because they cannot see beyond the hoods of their EV's.  Hell, they don't even look.  I have always asked...WHO'S THE LIAR?....because somebody certainly is.  Maybe all of our so-called leaders are the liars and Trump Derangement Syndrome has infected the entire democrat party.

All of the sudden, POOF,  Blue state mayors & governors (sanctuary cities and states) are admitting there is an immigration problem.  Their solution....give me more money!  FOLLOW THE MONEY!!  They're getting some coverage in the media, but they are wailing about 30,000 - 40,000 immigrants showing up while Texas and Arizona have dealt with MILLIONS!  Oh, the hypocrisy!  And people continue to re-elect those bottom feeders.

I hope Biden doesn't take us completely into the ditch before the election.  He is certainly not addressing the problem.  Oh, and don't forget, Iran is saber rattling and we haven't taken the bastards out.  We must hit them hard!  Remember Trump and his 50+ cruise missles into Syria after they gassed their citizens?  That's the ONLY way we'll win/prevent that mini-world war.

You left wing ostriches continue to bury your heads in the sand and pretend.  WE ARE SURROUNDED.  Now, please give us your wisdom via 3,000 - 5,000 words.  And I will continue to ignore you because, as Katie, the great unifier says, I only listen to people I respect.

SECURE THE BORDER!!  That's the first step.  Then deal with the ravages of the "flood" already here.

ENFORCE THE LAW!!  If that means impeaching Biden for violating the Constitution, so be it...but good luck overcoming the great left wing machine.

AMERICA FIRST!!  If we don't take care of America, how can the left possibly think we can take care of the rest of the world?  

P.S.  VOTE THE DEMOCRATS OUT.  That's our only chance.


01/05/24 09:38 AM #12054    

 

DeWitt Bacon

Mike L. I think that's what I said in #3 of my comment 12200. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Katie, I don't see anything wrong with bumper sticker thinking. A lot can be said in such a short space. Like my sticker on how to fix most of our country's problems. "TRUMP 24". 

I know that neither Biden nor Mayorkas will be impeached in the Senate, but impeachment by the House can send the same signal to Democrats as they tried to send to Republicans with the Trump impeachments.


01/05/24 10:05 AM #12055    

Mike Lorts

Jim/Mike K,

Your responses to my post #12210 are perfect examples of why nothing is resolved in DC. Both sides must either place blame or take credit or both for any solution. Therefore nothing gets done. What a shame.


01/05/24 10:21 AM #12056    

 

Jim Coats

Mike Lorts.  For the love of God....If you can solve it, do it.  Otherwise you're just a fart in the wind....just like the rest of us.  What use is trying to one-up everyone on the opposite side of the "aisle"?  Does NO good.

ALL we have is our vote and if you and your crew think you can debate us and change the country, you remain delusional.  


01/05/24 12:30 PM #12057    

Mike Lorts

Jim,

If you actually read my post again you will see I clearly said both sides. Every once and a while take off your partisan glasses and you may be surprised to find common ground.


01/05/24 12:40 PM #12058    

Richard Deshong

As a great American and fellow alumni continues to remind us:

ENFORCE THE LAW!!

U.S. law (8 U.S.C. § 1158) states that “any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum.”

When a person is elected President it is their constitutional duty to adhere to the law. If the ”people” don’t like a particular law it is incumbent upon them to elect representatives who will change that law. We don’t get to pick and choose what laws we want enforced and those we don’t. Until the law is changed the best we can do is work within the confines of the constitutional powers given to Congress, the Executive Branch, and the Supreme Court to make the best of any situation facing America.

We may think we can have no effect on how our government works, but if you don’t try, you can be guaranteed you don’t. May I suggest instead of waiting for the next opportunity to elect representatives who are more closely aligned with your beliefs, you become actively involved in attempting to convince those already in office to work in a more bipartisan manner to make minor changes to help make a tough situation at least a little bit better.

“Complaining about a problem without posing a solution is called whining.”

Theodore Roosevelt


01/05/24 12:54 PM #12059    

 

DeWitt Bacon

Our first snow today. Only about 2 inches, but winter is just beginning.


01/05/24 01:47 PM #12060    

 

Mary Powers (Evans)

Thank you Frank, Jim, Katie, Mike K. and Dennis for your book recommendations.  
 
 Frank, I like Dan Brown books as well.  Jim, I found that the Jesse Stone books and DVDs of the TV series are available at our library.  I think the series is on Amazon Prime too. So they are on our TBR and TBW list. Katie, I've read a couple of the Louise Penny Chief Inspector Gamache books and liked them.  Maybe I should have read more so that I hadn't been so startled at the cliff hanger ending of the Three Pines series on Amazon Prime.  I too really enjoyed The #1 Ladies' Detective Agency book and TV series.  I even was able to answer some trivia questions about Botswana because I'd read them.  Thank you for bringing it up, as I hadn't realized there were newer ones in the series in the last couple of years that I'll put on my TBR list.  Mike K., thanks for the recommendation of Stephen Hunter books.  Looks like he is a prolific writer, mostly fiction, but a few non-fiction too.  The Shooter is a movie and a TV series also.  Dennis, I wasn't sure if you were referring to an actual book about London Bridge or suggesting it as a book topic.  I found a book called London Bridge is Falling Down by Christopher Fowler as part of a "Peculiar Crimes Unit" series that sounds fun. 
 
Shout out to our public libraries that carry these books and DVDs, as well as to streaming services for the movies and TV series.

01/05/24 02:02 PM #12061    

 

Jim Coats

Mike Lorts.  When you say "Both sides must...yada, yada" I take that as your side good....our side bad, Kemo Sabe.  If I am reading YOU wrong, then I apologize.  I know I am not reading others wrong.

You are actually sounding like....something....what is it....a moderate??smiley  But, I've been burned many times and you will forgive me if I do not turn my back on you?!

However, I still say that I do not like to be lectured OR debate subjects over which I hold NO sway....except my one vote.  I have my opinion/beliefs and I AM NOT sorry that your side doesn't like me to have OPINIONS.  That's why  I go with "bumper stickers" which, thanks to you and other liberals on this Site have come to mean something negative.....JUST LIKE "Make America Great Again" and ALL Lives Matter.  BTW, I saw your BLM t-shirts.  Don't you see how narrow minded that line of thinking is?

Frankly, I wish you and I could go back to the early days when we had fun corresponding.  I have tried several times, but you either didn't respond or you shut me down.  Oh well, I have another personal belief...I refuse to be around someone who doesn't want to be around me.  NWMFT!

SECURE THE BORDER!!  ENFORCE THE LAW!!  AMERICA FIRST!!

PARENTS RIGHTS!!  FOLLOW THE MONEY.  It's always about money and power in the end.


01/05/24 02:07 PM #12062    

 

Dennis Moran

Mary,

just an idea to use Lake Havasu and London Bridge, with a past in regard to Captain Kidd.

Dennis.


01/05/24 05:04 PM #12063    

 

Dennis Moran

President Biden and President Trump wow and I hope neither of them is approved for running.

I will vote for Nicki  Hailey.... Biden looses with Kennedy running....  Never have a heard a candidate so afraid of Trump...and he should be. Not even the Iotola of rock and rolla in Iran scares this president as much as Trump.

Trump is in no condition to be our president so its a big no vote from me.  I am surprised Biden has lasted this long.  What to look forward too....Biden making citizens of his new voters from our new country the US of Southern America. that may give him a chance but at his age please let him go back to the other Scranton. 

Dennis.

MAGA....make america great again .....close the Damm boarder.

 

Hey Biden:        BOO

 


01/05/24 05:13 PM #12064    

 

Bill RIHS

Well, lyin Binden is lying again, or still. It's going to be a rerun of the Johnson/Goldwater scare tactics. 


01/05/24 06:45 PM #12065    

 

Frank Wiley

Interesting that Liberal Media is trying to nail Trump because Foreign Nationals stayed in his Hotels/Resorts wham he was President.  It is reported that, yes that's true but the the Trump Kids donated that money back to the U.S. Government.  Here's my question?  Did Hunter, or "The Big Guy" donate any of the millions they got for no services rendered back to the U.S. Government??  In fact, did they even pay taxes on that money.  Joe Biden is a corrupt greedy idiot.  What a stupid speech today!!  His Border is a crisis!  And he lies about it!  He told us the Countries in the World would love us----but our enemies are moving against us and challenging us and our friends don't trust us.  He says Trump is going to destroy our Democracy.  Remember Joe is the same guy that told Black People (when Romney was running against Obama) that Romney was going to put them back in chains.  Biden said his family never took any money from China.  That's when he was running against Trump.  Total Lie!!  I can list numerous other lies he's told but I'm sure Richard does better research than me.  What is more threatening to Democracy than to try to block your opponent from running??  Anyone who trusts Joe Biden, or anything he says is an idiot.  Trump is not my first choice for President but I will vote for him if he's the Republican candidate and I will be partly responsible for what he does as President for the second time.     B-U-T, if Biden gets re-elected, the ones that will be to blame the most, will be you Democrats for having Joe as your candidate!!


01/05/24 08:16 PM #12066    

Mike Lorts

It is Republicans that sued to take Trump off the ballot.

So far this is not one shred of wrongdoing from Biden. However Trump has been proven to be a fraud, guilty of slander and facing a boatload of indictments.

A majority of republicans will vote for Trump. A majority of democrats will vote for Biden. Independents will decide.


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