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Jim Coats

It's as simple as that, isn't it Frank?  Good, clear post (#15259) for those of us with short attention spans.  AND.....it was accurate as hell!

P.S.  Lefty.  Sorry you didn't make it to the Beer Summit.  Hope you're OK.

P.P.S.  Does anyone know how to reach Mike Mell?  I haven't seen a post from him in a long time and he's on my email mailing list with no responses.  Hope he's OK too.

Michael Kelly

Lefty here, We left Calofornia at 9 AM, we ran into Traffic Accidents and Traffic Stops in 2 places, outiside of Indio we were stopped for an hour and we reached the Vig at 630 PM, and so we reconnoitered the Place, yelled for Coats and Rihs, and left. We met some Friends of mine at the Red Devil on Bell Road and ate with them. I got to describe the Tortures I would inflict on Sean's 3 sons if they misbehaved in the Restaurant, Sean Grimm is now 31 years old, and he and his Wife Izzy have 3 sons. 10 8 and 4 years old. I used to hold Sean in the Air by his Ankles and tell him he couldn't get down until he would make the Noises the Wind Makes, He would be held by his Achilles Tendons and I would squeeze them and he would, between laughter, go "Whoooo, woooooo, Whoooo." and yell Uncle Mike this is Child Abuse, and I would say Wait until we put on the Boxing Gloves then youll get Child Abuse. I know that if I leave the day before the next Summit I will make it on time even if I have to take the Covered Wagon. 

Phoenix sure has changed, some of the places on Indian School Rd. and 36th Street are recognizable only by the Buildings, but not the Businesses that are located there.40th Street and Indian School Rd. was the Corner on the southwest of the intersection where I used to pick up Newspapers in the morning for Delivery.

Why do you guys keep it so damned Hot over there, It was like 115 degrees Fahrenheit in the Shade.Wow, I almost melted.

The people at the Vig were nice, We told them we were trying to get there with a Group, and I said it's a Group that regularly meets here. My hair is White, and so the young Man said  "You mean those Ood Codgers who meet in the back, We wheeled them out of here a few minutes ago" I said no, we are talking about a much younger group and the Young Man laughed and asked me "Are you someone's Grandpa"? If I would have had Peanut Shells I would have dumped them on the Floor. Stay Cool tul  next time. Mike "Lefty" Kelly 

Frank Wiley

Mike, Glad everything is okay!  Living in Colorado now I feel the same way about the heat in Phoenix.  I think they keep it so hot to keep the Liberal Californians and Coloradans away.  I can't believe that we used to have two-a-day football practices, two hours each, in mid-August with only one water break in High School.  I was a lot tougher back then!

Patty Meyers (Anderson)

Did you guys just realize Phoenix is hot?  I left the place right after gradutaion in 1965.  Shortly after I left, my parents moved to the Bay Area so I never had to return, except for reunions.  We are having a very nice summer, several days of hot (90 degrees) and then several days in the 70's....   perfect!

Frank Wiley

Hi Patty, I think when you live in the heat of Phoenix you just bare it because there's not much you can do about it!

DeWitt Bacon

WHAT? It gets hot in Phoenix in the summer? You've got to be kidding. Right? Most of us grew up in Phoenix and remember going outside to play. The heat didn't bother us as much back then. It's hard to believe that we grew up there without air conditioning in our homes and cars.. Of course, we all had the 4-40 air conditioning in our vehicles. I think you all know what that is. For some reason, the heat didn't bother us as much as it did after we became air-conditionized. When people hear that I am from Phoenix, they always say something like, "I guess you're used to the heat then." I always reply, "No, you never get used to it. You just learn to live with it." The weather here is somewhat cooler. It rarely gets over 100, usually in the high 80s to low 90s. However, there is also the high humidity. But I will say this about that. I am much more comfortable here than I was when I was in Phoenix the last time I visited, during the hottest part of the summer. The weather was great there last May for the reunion.

Michael, you were talking about my old neighborhood when you mentioned 36th St. and Indian School. I remember Wes and I would ride our bikes there (in the summer, of course)_. There was an A.J. Bayless store and other stores, including a drug store, a 5&10 cent store, and an Allgeres (sp) restaurant, where we would go in and get a Coke to cool us down. The drugstore had a soda fountain where I would stop and get a chocolate malt. Malts? No one serves malts anymore. lol. Such memories.

Jim Coats

Just keep in mind lightweights.....the last 4 people (besides me) who have posted have bailed out of AZ.

DeWitt.  I remember everything you just mentioned about that little strip shopping "center" at the S/E corner of 36th St. & Indian School.  Mike Kelly lived on the S/W corner of Amelia and 36th and I lived at the end in the cul-de-sac.   3501 E. Amelia.  Recognize that?  Monte Vista was 3501 E. Osborn.

I used to buy war surplus stuff (from WWII and Korea, I guess) in the dime store (wish I still had it all) and consumed double thick chocolate malts at the counter in the drug store....Mom was trying to fatten me up (It finally worked...60 years later).  The restaurant was Algiers.  There was a barber shop too and that's where I would get haircuts.....when I had hair.

I used to collect soft drink bottles (Creme Soda, Seven-up, RC Cola) and turn them into Bayless for cash ($.02 each) and I would take coupons in and get cash face-value.  You didn't have to buy the product!  Little that I knew that the money I got was real silver and would be worth a bunch today.  Sigh!

OK, I'll stop with this.  I used to collect bottle caps from Seven-Ups (and pretend they were silver treasure coins) and RC Cola caps were mostly red with a gold ridge.  They were (gold coins).  Looking back, it was great living the wonder of it all in the 50's....and early 60's.

Mary Powers (Evans)

DeWitt and Jim--I agree about malts.  Whenever we try a new ice cream place and want a shake, we look for a malt option.  I think Dairy Queen still has malts.  

Lester Cox

When I moved to Phoenix in 1964, the population for the metro area was about 670,000. Today it is about 5 million and Phoenix city is the 5th largest in the country. Evidently, there are plenty of people who have learned or simply are not put off by the heat. But I do think that the older we get the less tolerance we have for the extreme heat. Having grown up in Kansas City with it's high humidity, I'll still take Phoenix and it's heat. I've been climatized. But, also, I've been lucky enough to have a place in the White Mountains for over 40 years to escape the heat if only for weekends. Fortunately, there are lots of people who like humidity or we'd have 50 million people living here. One thing I've found, owning a Tesla, if we go out during the heat of the day, I simply leave the AC running in the car or turn it one 10 to 15 minutes before I plan to get in the car and it is a nice 75 degrees in the car instead of the 150 plus. That is a game changer and my top reason for owning a Tesla.

Lester Cox

One funny guy talking about Phoenix Heat.

https://youtu.be/df-SvDBG-Us

Frank Wiley

Malts--31 Flavors and Cold Stone Creamery. There was a Mary Coyles ice cream parlor at about 36th and Indian School or Thomas?  Good YouTube Les, Thanks!

Patty Meyers (Anderson)

Les, I know how he feels...  funny.

Bill RIHS

Good one Les👍😂. Thanks<>>

Lester Cox

FINALLY! There is HOPE!

Michael Kelly

Did you see the one of the divided pictures, on the bottom are Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, Waters, and Newsom peering through a Spyhole in a Door, with anxious faces, and in the top picture through the Spyhole is the face of Trump looking Angry and as if they are hiding from him. Very Funny because it is Who They Are.

We made it back here, but I did not know my Driver, Fabian Arroyo, sounds like a WWF Wrestler doesn't it, was getting ill with the Flu. His energy level went way down, and he had to take Naps on the Drive back. I wound up with the same Flu on Sunday, but was better today, had two Court Appearances, one a Hearing, for this morning. I am using the Prosthesis again, had to have it refitted and now since I have gained some weight, I have to adjust to my Balance changing somewhat. Never take if for granted having two pegs that are yours, sometimes I wish I was like a Reptilean creature that could grow limbs back. 

Glad to see and hear that Trump has finally figured Putin our, he even said on TV that Putin talks politely, proimises he wants peace, then bombs the hell out of Ukraine and kills forty people, right after he gets off the Phone, Trump said he has had a "Lot of Bullshit thrown at me, and I am tired of It" and gave him 50 days. Wasnt it a month ago Trump gave that Bearded Mullah 30 days, and then Bunker Busted his whole outfit two days later. Hope Trump is planning the same with Putin, cause I think Putin is just as Stupid as the Mullah apparently happens to be.Trump told the Europeans that he no longer believes Putin wants to stop waging War, that he will just keep it up. 

Yesterday Ukraine destroyed 2 intercontinental Ballistic Missile Sites in Russia, with the Missile Manufacturing Facility included. 

If you listen to YouTube, the Israelis are starting to realize that there is no one shooting missiles, and flying drones at them, and that they have Peace. They are in shock. The Israelis evacuated over 100,000 thousand Families from homes and settlements in Northern Israel about a year ago. Now they are gradually going back "Home" or what is left of it.

Coats you mentioned collecting Soda Bottles for the money, I did the same thing, remember the Barqs Chocolate Sodas, Remember that corner Market on the Southwest corner of 36th and Indian School, and they had the old Soda Machine with the Lids, and you could reach inside and get your Soda out of it. I used so much change buying Topps Bubble Gum packages, for the baseball cards, that I gave myself cavities with the BubbleGum. I had Elston Howard, 3 Mickey Mantles, Moose Skowron, Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Billy Martin, Yogi Berra, Herb Score, Willie Mays, on and on Ron Peronowski, Bobby Richardson, Jim Killebrew, Jim Boughton, Hank Aaron, Whitey Ford, Dusty Rhodes, the names keep coming, funny, I can't even remember what I had for Breakfast, something must be happening. LEFTY OUT

Frank Wiley

Michael, I bet you wish you still had those baseball cards and hadn't clothes pinned them to the spokes on your bicycle?  Les, I'm pretty sure that if they did open TDS clinics no one would show up.  Unlike Trumps first term, the Dems can't do a damn thing to block him because we have the House, Senate, the White House, and the Supreme Court.  Even John Roberts seems to have had enough of the Democrat Lower Court Judges nonsense.  A Correction Officer at Aligator Alcatraz reported that one of the miserable thumb sucking Democrats put a temperature gauge next to a lightbulb in one of the cells and then showed the gauge reading to a reporter and claimed that the temperature in the cell was 115 degrees when in fact it was 78 degrees.  

DeWitt Bacon

I know we are now off the subject of 36th St., but I just have one more comment. I lived at 3219 N.36th St., right across the street from Monte Vista. Boy, was that a long walk for me. I was sure happy when I finally got a bicycle so I could ride ALL THE WAY across the street. lol

Now to get political. I have to wonder if there are any Democrats left in DC or other blue states that are not Marxist Communists. Everything they are doing is right out of the Marx, Lennon, and Stalin playbook.

And Frank, if I still had all the baseball cards I pinned to the spokes of my bicycle, I'd be a rich man today. 

Mary Powers (Evans)

Frank, thanks for the mention of Mary Coyle's, one of my favorite places during high school.  I'd forgotten the name and appreciate the good memory refresher.  

Frank Wiley

My pleasure Mary!  There was a Mary Coyles across Thomas road from Phoenix College.  I don't know how many Chocolate Malts I drank there but if they would have had a rewards program I would have scored very highly.  Now my Chocolate Malts were always ordered with Vanilla Ice Cream and Chocolate Syrup. I like chocolate BUT I am not a Chocolahotic like many people.

Jim Coats

OK.  Back into the Way Back Machine.

If you wanted delicious ice cream just about every way you could imagine, CARNATION Restaurant at the N/W corner of Indian School and Central.  The big Carnation plant was on the same corner where they made ice cream and milk.

I mentioned before that my Mom was trying to fatten me up so she would pick me up once in a while for lunch at Monte Vista and we would blast over to Carnation.  I would have a cheeseburger and a malt and we would play the little juke box devices that were at each table that contained all the good songs.  We laughed a lot then and the people around us loved it. Then we hi-tailed it back to Monte Vista in time.

This covers two subjects.  1) Delicious ice cream and 2) How much less populated the city was in the 50's and therefore, hardly any traffic delays.

Those were some good days!

Jim Coats

DeWitt:  John Lennon wrote a "Playbook??"   (Re:  #15276)

Yes....I know....I'm a smart-ass.

Have a good day, pard.  Keep on keepin' on.

P.S.  Since I had my last "good" colonoscopy, I was told I was a perfect a**hole.

Frank Wiley

I heard a funny observation today.  "If Trump walked on water, the Liberals would say, "It just proves he can't swim!"

Jim Coats

Frank.  I never know whether it's an Analogy or a Metaphor.....but your last post is accurate.  I just hope Trump never gets in water over his head.  That "luxurious mane" will drag him down.

DeWitt Bacon

If President Trump could walk on water, it would only prove that he knows where all the rocks are.

Jim, yes, you can be a smart ass when you want to be. However, John Lennon did write a lot of good songs. I guess I can be a smart ass at times, too.

Michael Kelly

Does anyone remember whether any of the Hundreds of Thousands of Illegal Aliens freely crossing our Southern Border were turned back because they weren't wearing a Mask, had no Proof of Vaccination of any of the Diseases, including Covid 19, and if any of the entire Democratic Party right down to your next door neighbor, pitched a bitch about it at any time whatsoever. So why are the Democratics, all of them, bitching about ICE Agents wearing a Mask while performing their Duties of Rounding them Up, Arresting them, and deporting them. Has any Democrat bitched about the added Billions of Dollars that this Flagrant Abuse of the Border Control Laws have added to our Taxpayer expenditures now. No one has. But I have not only for the Record, but to point out the Hypocrisy of the entire Democratic Party.