Definition of Opinion:  A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

Please be respectful to others with differing opinions. 

Michael Wetzel

I believe you are correct. I believe if we are going to teach true black history, we should start at the beginning, 4 hundred, or more years ago, and who enslaved the blacks first, for what purposes they were  used for, up until the first time white man ever set eyes on them. As for teaching our 'young minds' about fags, dykes, and queers, NO. They will learn enough of that filth when they are at the proper age........

Michael Kelly

Richard DeShong  I want you to explain the basic premise that Critical Race Theory is founded upon. I would also like for you to explain what the basic Complaint that the LBGTQ amalgam is founded upon. How many of those who call themselves members of that conglomerate have personally experienced what it is they are offended by. ?

If the United States is a "Net Exporter of Gas and Oil" of what significance does that have with the continued increases in costs of gasoline, diesel, gas, and coal that is a major contributor to the inflation of Prices in all parts of the Economy?

Finally DeShong, you condescendingly refer to MAGA supporters as being influenced by some sort of mass brainwashing or some such nonsense. You make claims against MAGA supporters based upon your own conjecture. You have no factual basis for your statements. You in my opinion are a pompous Fool. I'll bet you don't even know what you really believe in, but you incorporate into  your blather whatever you think is the  popular thing to say with your so called friends. MAGA only stands for Make America Great Again and if that bothers you then perhaps you need to examine why you want to live here.  You seem to have not much to say about the rest of us except derogatory remarks! Others here are very courteous and take your insults in silence, but not me. You owe me an Apology!

I am particularly offended with your remarks about Critical Race Theory. From what I have heard, and read, including what the Supervising Deputy of the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department who kept the Department up to date on the literature of the BLM and CRT proponents were "Vending" to support their actions, CRT wanted to convince all Caucasians that because of their Skin Color, they were Born Biased against Black and Brown skinned peoples, and therefore were Guilty of Bias and Could Not Rid themselves of this Genetic Shame without Working out Their Condtional Salvation with Self Degrading Exercises in Humiliating Subjugation. Does this sound familiar to you? Its the same Crap the Klu Klux Klan and other Racists were Touting to Justify their Crimes agaisnt Blacks and other people of Color. I thought we were all working to Eliminate This and had made Good Progress, yet here you are saying that CRT applies to us and  we will never reach your form of Valhalla. 

While were at it, lets talk about how Margaret Sanger fits into the continuing calls for Abortion right up to the time of Birth. You know at the heart of mean hearted old Margarets pitfch of Abortion was her Theory of weeding out of the population those she deemed unfit for the rigors of modern civilization through population control via Abortion and she specifically targeted Black People. Now I know you are going to say that Abortion is the only possible choice in certain circumstances, and I have not expressed a Disagreement with that, but it the election should still be up to the woman who is saddled with such a very Tough Choice. What about the Supreme Court's Decision which removed Roe vs. Wade from the supposed level of a Constitutional Right, to what it really is, a States Rights Issue. is Wrong. You read into the Decision much more than what it says, and that is because Richard, you make decisions based upon Emotional Reactions for the most part, and not Logic. 

Remember, Richard, You owe me an Apology for assuming that CRT necessarily applies to me. I did not pop out of my Mother's Womb thinking Where is the nearest Black Person I can Hate. It is ridiculous to accuse anybody of such Horrendous intent, comparable to being born Hating Jews, it is taught don't you agree.

Richard Deshong

Mike, does it feel good to get your dislike of my comments off your chest?  I’m very proud of you. I could almost totally understand your ramblings and I did appreciate your decision to not utilize all caps.  We actually make a good team.  You’re willing to blurt out your beliefs without the benefit of research, and I love doing research to show you the errors of your beliefs.  What a team.  Next to Jim, you’re my favorite person on the forum with whom to debate.

In case you are patiently waiting near one of your electronic devices anxious to get my apology, it ain’t acomin.

As for the basic premise  that Critical Race Theory is founded on, perhaps you would rather do your own research. May I suggest you begin by referring to: 

https://en.wiki/Critical_race_theory#Tenets

There’s a lot to read at this site, but as a lawyer I would expect you to be capable of and use to plowing through such material, the nearly 100 references cited, and additional reading recommendations.  Let me know when you have finished your own research and I’ll be happy to have an educated debate with you on the history and merits of CRT.  Heck, since I drive right by your neck of the woods several times a year, maybe you, me and the Supervising Deputy of the Los Angeles Sheriffs Department can get together over a beer and share our collective knowledge on the subject.  While I don’t know the Supervising Deputy personally, I do include in my circle of friends someone who used to oversee the Los Angeles Swat Department.  Maybe my friend can help facilitate the get together.

As for explaining to you the LBGTQ amalgam (? a noun meaning mixture or blend), I’m afraid you’re going to have to be more specific about what it is you don’t understand.  While I am not a member of the LBGTQ community, I am very close to many friends, family members, ex coworkers, and others who are and I can personally attest to witnessing numerous instances of verbal abuse and harassment, and even physical harassment, for simply wanting to be accepted for who they are.  I will leave it to others on this forum who might have their own such experiences to give you details which I am certain will soften even your hard heart on this subject.

On second thought, I will give you one example that deeply effected by belief of how people who are considered “different” can be abused.  I know a person who I met on the very day he/she was born, and to whom I was very close to his/her entire life, right up to today.  Born with male genitalia, this person lived what anyone who took the time to know him was a normal prepubescent heterosexual life.  Beginning in middle school and continuing all through high school a darkness came over this person.  He withdrew into himself, began dressing in all black, soon began cutting himself, and even attempted suicide on more than one occasion.  During therapy it came out he believed he was living in the wrong body and was really a female and that his classmates had picked up on this and were bullying him to a degree he was no longer willing or capable to accept.  When his parents, who are very religious, learned of his beliefs they went into denial and said it was only a phase and he would grow out of it.  But try as they might, no amount of praying seemed to make a difference.  Finally, after graduating from high school and attending one year of community college near home, he/she saved up enough money to move to a four-year college out of the area.

As it so happened, my wife and I were going to be driving home from a short trip and agreed to stop by his new school and give him/her a free lift home for the Thanksgiving weekend.  We planned to meet him/her at a local restaurant on the Wednesday before driving home for the holiday and the moment we saw him/her we knew something was different.  She immediately told us she was living in a special dorm on campus that accepted only students like her that were either unsure of their sexuality or were certain they were a member of the LBGTQ community.  She had changed her name to one of a female gender, began dressing as a female, and was sharing a room with a transgender male.  The only way I can accurately describe my friend is that for the first time in nearly a decade, she was happy.

Unfortunately, nothing really changed at home. It seemed to me her parents would have preferred having a dead son than a happy, thriving daughter.  Over the last ten years since coming out, my wife and I have stayed close to her and even have help her navigate the myriad of rules and regulation needed to get a legal name change, establish credit after changing sexuality, and even what steps need to be taken before being allowed to have sexual reassignment surgery.  I have seen very graphic photos of what a person transitioning from male to female genitalia must go through and believe me when I say nobody in their right mind would subject themselves to the procedure unless they were totally convince it was the right thing to do.

When I read some of the truly ignorant comments made on this forum about people who identify as LBGTQ, it causes me to want to give the writer a good slap down.  Until you have walked in someone else’s shoes you have no right to try and force your personal belief on others.  Unless of course you are a “True Republican”, then evidently all bets are off and anything goes.

It’s getting late and I have some preparation to do prior to taking a long weekend trip to N. AZ, so I’ll save my replies to the rest of your post 11638 for a later date.  But rest assured, I will get back to you.  I’m especially looking forward to schooling you some more on how the price of gasoline is set and how no American president has, nor can, effect the price at the pump except in a very few and specific ways.

Jim Coats

Mike Kelly.  Right on, brother!  I really liked your latest (# 11638).  I presume you already received kickback.  There seemed to be a long post after yours.  I did NOT read it.

I know I don't have to tell you this....or anything for that matter....but you are dealing with people who will say night is day and day is night.  You are a Patriot and "they" are NOT.  They believe that we are racist when we say ALL LIVES MATTER, instead of black lives matter.  They cannot stand that we say that MAGA means Make America Great Again because they think the cesspool they have created is great....not the one we aspire to.  And they do NOT understand what we mean when we say PARENTS RIGHTS because they believe that parents should have NO rights with regard to the raising and education of their children.  This is who we are dealing with.  They cannot be reasoned with.  I have stopped trying.  NWMFT!!

As we have said many, many times on this Forum.....the ONLY power We The People have is our one VOTE and we can only pray it is counted and that elections are run fairly.  There has been considerable evidence to the contrary, but that is another story.  

SECURE THE BORDER

ENFORCE THE LAW....EQUALLY!!

AMERICA FIRST!!

PARENTS RIGHTS!!

FOLLOW THE MONEY!!  OH, YES.  FOLLOW THE MONEY RIGHT TO THE OVAL OFFICE!!

Bill Kaehler

Deshong - I have read all your #11639 post (essay, term paper).  Just by reading your term paper, I have done a fair amount of research.

Having said that, I can report I have had a theory that the Left places very little value on the truth or common sense.  Also, that the Left are often perpetrators of the very thing they wrongfully accuse the Right of, as a way of defending their own non-sensical comments and/or actions.

Your thoughts on CRT go a long way towards proving my theory to be correct.

DeWitt Bacon

Mike L. First, Palestine, Hamas, what's the difference? They are part of the radical Islam world, supported by Iran, that would murder those same rioters if they tried that in Iran. They have no soal. Hamas attacked Israel without provocation. They went after innocent citizens, even Americans, Not the military or government officials. They have a callous disregard for human life. Besides, I couldn't even find Palestine on the map. Do they actually exist?

Thanks for agreeing with Bongino's statement. Put into your own words: "some republicans find they agree with democrats, and no democrats agree with republicans. That's what he said. And if some Republicans agree with Democrats, why are they Republicans? The Democrat party has become invaded by extreme-left Marxism, and the Republicans are being invaded by Democrats in Republican clothing.

DeWitt Bacon

Ricard, Your post 11635 was long, and, like Patty, I grow weary of long posts. But I read parts of it, and with your support of CRT, BLM,  climate change, and LGB (the first three letters covering all the other letters and +'s), I feel that you have been influenced by the Marxist left. No, I am not calling you a Marxist or a Communist, but you seem to be falling into their trap. I know you would never spend your money on a conservative book, but I suggest you and Lorts find a copy of Ted Cruz's new book, "UNWOKE," and only read the introduction. It will give you a thorough examination of the history of Communist involvement in our country. Notice especially the part about the long, slow march through the institutions. 

Mike Lorts

Because Mike K has proven to be a true believer in all things Trump I'm perplexed that he did not volunteer his legal expertise to defend either Trump or Giuliani in court. The lawyers they did enlist have now plead guilty. The lawyers that choose to join team Trump have been getting paid from Trumps legal defense pac courtesy of all the suckers that donated to that fund. The lawyers that have defended Giuliani and the others have been hung out to dry. Come on Mike, these patriots need your legal expertise. Of course you would be doing these pro bono.

Richard Deshong

Bill, exactly what thoughts on CRT do you think I gave in my post to Mike?  All I did was refer Mike to a site that gives an in-depth explanation as to the origins and meaning of CRT.  Do you even know what Wikipedia is and how it works?  Most people think it is one of the, if not the, fairest websites for providing unbiased information on an uncountable number of subjects.  It is considered the Encyclopedia Britanica of our generation.  If I had to bet, I’d say you didn’t even take the time to read the entire article on CRT.  And I’d bet a lot that you didn’t open a single reference given at the end of the article.

While you certainly are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to your own truth.  Can you please elaborate on why you think the Left (of which being a moderate Republican I am not a member of, but I am, like a majority of Republicans, left of you) places so little value on truth and common sense.  All I see today are accusations coming out of far-right republicans that they are never able to prove beyond a shadow of doubt.  It’s been four years since Hunter Biden has been accused of corruption.  He may or may not be guilty, but time after time we hear that Jim Jordan has the smoking gun to prove his quilt, or that an unimpeachable witness is going to testify in front of congress, and nothing comes of it.  By now a small group of friars could have etched the contents of the laptop that supposedly has proof of his guilt onto stone tablets and made them available on Amazon.  In the meantime, another group of republican lawmakers has made short order of declaring George Santos guilty of fraud and monetary mismanagement and are basically drumming him out of office.  Maybe the problem isn’t with the facts but rather with the people who are misinterpreting them.

I agree someone needs to drain the swamp in DC.  But so far all I’ve seen happen is the worst of the swamp has been renamed the Freedom Caucus and given more power than they can handle.  But hey, that’s just my opinion.

Mike Lorts

DeWitt,

If all Palestinians(especially the children)are the same as hamas then I assume that all of the rural communities surrounding White Nationalist type organizations are the same as the White Nationalist. So we could carpet bomb the entire area in good continence.

Richard Deshong

DeWitt, you seem to take great pleasure in using the terms Marxist and Communist to describe how others think.  May I suggest you should do some research into the original meaning of these terms to see how they are so radically different than the bastardized ways they are bantered around today.  When Karl Marx first wrote his political and economic theory, he based it on his belief that there was (and still is) a struggle between capitalists and the working class.  He wrote that the power relationships between capitalists and workers were inherently exploitative and would inevitably create class conflict.  Do you not believe this has been true over time and is still true today when 1% of the population controls 50% of the global wealth and 10% control 80%?  Have you not been keeping up with the news as US autoworkers have been demanding a portion of the record profits flowing to the big three auto makers and their executives after the workers were made to take drastic wage and benefit cuts in 2008?  Maybe if you took the time to dig deeper into Marxism you might not find it so scary.

And how about communism.  During the 1930’s when America and the rest of the world was in the depths of a great depression many people thought it was the right thing to do to share what resources were available in a way that would help the most people.  A lot of people today still believe that would be a good thing so naturally they are labeled communists.  I ask you; do you personally know any communists?  I mean people who will look you right in the eye and declare themselves a communist.  Do you ever go out to a restaurant and break bread with them, like you and I did when I was passing through Northern Arkansas last year?  Nobody I know approves of the communist doctrines that were espoused after WWII, but those aren’t the same doctrines I think you are so afraid of.  Tell me who in America thinks a centralized government should take over capitalism and replace it with a planned economy.  Can you site me one article that you believe states such a calling?  Hell, after getting just a small taste of democracy after the collapse of the Soviet Union, it seems like more and more younger Russians are turning their backs on communism. 

As for reading Ted Cruz’s book, let me make you a deal.  I’ll buy and entirely read Unwoke if you buy and read Rachel Maddow’s new book Prequel, or one of her other books such as Drift or Blowout.  If you agree to my challenge, I will promise you I’ll debate the merits of anything in any of the books.  Just let me know if you accept my challenge and I’ll immediately place my order with Amazon.  But I promise you, any of these books are longer than my posts so make sure you are up to the challenge.

Richard Deshong

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy.  Do you really think anyone buys that you don’t read my posts?  For someone who has stopped trying to reason with anyone who may disagree with your opinions, as if you ever tried in the first place, you sure do go out of your way to post your thoughts on many issues.

Can you please tell me the time when you think America wasn’t great?  What is it you want to happen again that hasn’t been happening?  What is it you think isn’t happening today that hasn’t happened throughout American history regardless of who held the White House.  Ronald Regan also used the phrase Make America Great Again.  Did he, the two Bushes and the Donald fail to make it happen?

I cannot find a single instance on this forum where anyone has called you a racist because you believe all lives matter.  If you could point me to one, I would be appreciative.  Could it be your opinions have colored you reading in such a way you are misinterpreting what others are trying to say?

As for parent rights, of course parents have rights.  They have the right to “peaceably” make their opinions heard at school board meetings, to have their children educated in private schools that more closely align with their opinions, and to run for office and get involved in the process of improving our educational system.  What they don’t have the right to do is make death threats to school board members, decide for other parents’ what classes their children should be allowed to take or what books they should be allowed to read.  I remember when we went to school sex education was a class student’s parents had to opt their children in or out.  Why can’t the same principle be used today to make black history classes optional with parental consent?  Or divide school libraries into sections where books that some parents believe should not be made available are accessible only to students with a special library card their parents okay.  Why does everything have to be all or nothing with your ilk (I know how much you like it when I use that term).

I don’t know if it is the only power the people have, but I agree that the most powerful one is our ability to vote.  But, along with exercising this power comes the responsibility of accepting what the majority of voters say they want.  If you don’t think elections are fair, volunteer to participate in the process.  So far no one has been able to deliver a shred of evidence that the last two elections have been fraudulent.  No matter how many times you say something, or how many times you write it in bold capital letters, that doesn’t automatically make it so.

SECURE THE BORDER

All the border, equally.

ENFORCE THE LAW....EQUALLY!!

Agreed.  If someone who has committed bank and/or insurance fraud is found guilty and sent to jail, send everyone found guilty of the same charges to jail.

AMERICA FIRST!!

American’s first – all Americans.

PARENTS RIGHTS!!

All parents.

FOLLOW THE MONEY!!  OH, YES.  FOLLOW THE MONEY RIGHT TO THE OVAL OFFICE!!

Both todays and past oval offices.  Not only for past and present presidents but for all their offsprings as well.

Mary Powers (Evans)

It looks like you've already gone on to other topics, but I wanted to briefly say that I was saddened by the recent remarks regarding people who are LGBTQ and their experiences.  My hope is that they will be seen by all as worthy human beings and contributing citizens, deserving of the same respect and safety as anyone.   

Jim Coats

It FINALLY hit me after all this time.  The left on this site are desperate for our (the conservative Patriots) approval.  They are so far outside what is considered acceptable norms that they feel left out and want us to hug them to our breasts and tell them they are right.  Well, they're not.  They feel lost and in many cases they are.  The left cannot see the clear....obvious difference between right and wrong without feeling it necessary to eviscerate anything or anyone that doesn't accept their precise narrative.

I actually feel a little sorry for them....but not much.  Their mantra is "tell a lie often enough and soon it will become truth."  Pathetic.  Everything doesn't need to be dissected.  Sometimes it's simply clear that there is right and there is wrong.  I know that if I see my house is on fire that the fire needs to be extinguished and I don't need to study a historical narrative of the origins of fire.  Thank you fellow conservative Patriots for stepping on the right side of that oh-so-obvious line.  I have tried and failed to have good feelings for most of the left on this Site because I cannot agree with them on virtually anything.   I guess I'll have to hash that un-Christian emotion out with God when we finally meet.

To the left on this Site....you are NWMFT!!

VOTE!!  YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO.  VOTE!!

Michael Wetzel

,As I have reported before, wikipedia is a leftist leaning organization. Regardless what the toad has stated, regarding how wonderful they are...

Co-founder Larry Sanger, has warned that the website can no longer be trusted, insisting it is now just " propaganda " for the left-leaning establishment ". Sanger started the  " encyclopedia of opinion " in 2001 purely on the basis it would offer true neutrality and offer " multiple points of view " on hot button issues. Now, he insisted, conservative voices are, "  sternly warned if not kicked out " if they try to add a different take on establishment views . Fox news on sociopolitical issues are banned...There was more, but you get the point made here...Also, as I have stated before, I utilize several sources for ' real ' info. DuckDuckgo, being my top source, also Startpage, and occasionaly the different government sites for crime statistics, shootings, etc. And if i'm making a statement of fact, I try to state my sources for proof ( sometimes ), instead of just making a blanket statement, or a totally absurd/assnine statement that we are supposed to just swallow as gospel, without any sources of proof...Which is so often the case by the liberals on this site. Especially by one in particular........By the way, the above facts regarding wikipedia  came from Startpage.........

Screw the queers, and their straight to hell life style, so beloved by the socialist-liberals............

Frank Wiley

I have no problem with teaching the History of Slavery in our Country.  I do have a problem with trashing our Country by trashing the Founders, and tearing down their statues.   My question is at what age should a student start to get education on CRT or maybe more importantly sex education?  What is in the curriculum and more importantly--do the teachers stick to the curriculum?  Are School Boards really monitoring what's being taught in the classrooms?  I think every parent and/or grandparent should be able to sit in any classroom in this Country to see exactly what's going on.  Have you seen the commercials about "White Privilege"?  Did I have white privilege?  All I know is I worked very hard to earn everything I received.  Most of my working life I was paid straight commissions.  The greatest blessing God ever gave me was being born in this Country.  I am not going to be a part of ripping it apart and I will speak out against anything our anyone who is trying to tare it apart.  Have you heard the latest Tik-Tok videos of young people celebrating Osama Bin Ladens letter to America?  Sick!!  N .S.--Did you watch Manual Obrador (mexican president) compliment Joe Biden on having a open border policy?  Google it!  Any American who agrees with Manny should pack their bags and get the hell out of this Country!!

DeWitt Bacon

Mike L. Jim is right. You are snarky.

Jim, Right on.

Richard, thanks for assuring us all that you are a supporter of Marxist Communism. Now we know what to expect from you. You cited a form of a commune-style life during the Depression of the 30s. It is a Christian duty to share what you have with those in need. But when it becomes a government mandate, that is going too far. In communism, the State owne's everything; they give it out first to their comrades in the politburo, then to those who tow the Communist line. This is also how Socialism works. Unions are the result of Karl Marx, I admit. However, unions in this country can be an asset to the labor force by negotiating with companies to ensure fair pay and benefits. Not all unions are good, though; some go too far and end up cutting off the hand that feeds them. 

At first, I was willing to take up your challenge as much as purchasing a book by Rachel Maddow disgusts me. I have listened to her many times touting her communist lies. I see now that bantering our opinions on Cruz and Maddow would not be beneficial to either of us. I know what is really going on. Communism cannot exist without lies and propaganda. And that is what left-wing news is all about. Perhaps I will download a free audio of comrade Maddow's book just for future reference. I don't expect you to purchase Ted Cruz's book. Perhaps if you have access to free audiobooks, you can download it and just read the introduction for a true history of Communism in America.

PS. If you're ever through northern Arkansas again, look me up. I'm sure if we stay away from politics we could have a friendly visit. Perhaps lunch.

Michael Kelly

To set the Record Straight Google indicates that out of the total population of adults in the USA 7.2 percent of our population identifies as LGBTQ'ers, and total of 2022 Victims of Violent Crimes/Murder says there were a total of 15 reported victims according to FBI Statistics. Google indicates that the most identifiable growth of those claiming LGBTQ status is in the GEN Z age group. 

The reasons for the violent crimes does not readily identify the Source of the violent crime or murders. 

As to CRT CRT Scholars argue that the soccial and legal construction for race advances the interests of White People at the expense of people of color, and  that the ligeral notion of US law as neutral plays a significant role in maintaining a racially unjust socal order, where formally color blind laws contnue to have racially disciminatory outcomes.

My own opinion is that CRT is a somewhat elaboate construct that has as its underlying premise the elimination of the modern basis of Law and substitute in a specie of "law" if you will, that creates difference of enforceabllity and severity of penalties if convicted, by making it's application a Race Based construct. In Los Angeles County, where I live, the Theft of $950 or less is a Misdemeanor, with a no Bail release to go out and do it again. George Gascone, DA for the LA County District Attorney's office, has been a one man originator of a City and County wide Crime Wave, for which he takes no responsibility, because he is following a CRT methodology of enforcing the existing law. This is what George W. Bush called the "Soft Discrimination of Lowered Expectations". What then is CRT. You can see for yourself if you look at the Crime Waves of LA County, Chicago Illinois, Seattle, Wash. and Portland, Ore. CRT in practice Instead of dealing with the problem at its source, our Socialist/Communist idealogues insist that its not LACK OF FATHERS IN THE HOMES, BUT INSTEAD REPLACE THE LAW WITH AN DISCRIMINATORY BASED VERSION OF EXCUSES COSTUMED IN SOCIAL PROPAGANDA. BAD CHOICES MAKE FOR BAD OUTCOMES.

You can choose to totally ignore what is happening in our Country by avoiding watching the News in exchange for propaganda with dimwits who will never let you see what they probably refuse to view for themselves because it upsets the "Bubble" they choose to live in, or you can look for the Truth and Find It if you truly care.

I wrote this because when I asked for Answers all I got was nonsense and gobbledygook! Word Salad. 

Michael Wetzel

This information was researched from DuckDuckgo, and several Bibles on different sites.

" Jesus is God, therefore all of the Bible is his word. Jesus spoke about everything from Genesis 1:1, through Revelation 22:21. And that includes anything in the 66 books about homosexuality. "

Examples : Romans 1:26-28, 1 Corinthians 6: 6-10, 1 Timothy 1: 8-11. Also, this makes Leviticus 18-23 completely revelant !.........

                                                       HAKUNA MATATA

Michael Wetzel

" Evil, will try to justify Evil, to gain Evil ", that's You ! Of course you would try to use the Pope to fit your narrative, but it won't work, he did not write the Bible, God/Jesus wrote the Bible, which is what we adhere to !...I love it, that I can get sooooo far under your skin, with the truth ! Maybe, just maybe, there is a very slight hope for you yet, just maybe................

                                                      HAKUNA  MATATA

Bill Kaehler

DeWitt Bacon

Bill K. Good one. It's too bad it's too true to be funny.

Michael, you used the scriptures well to show your point. I agree, but when you use the Bible to prove your point to nonbelievers, it's a lot like "Casting your pearls before swine." Now, I'm in trouble with those who think I am calling them swine. No, I'm just quoting from the Bible. The Gospel writers lived and traveled with Jesus. They heard him speak and wrote down what they saw and heard. The harmony of the first three Gospels shows the accuracy of what they remembered. The letters were written by Apostles who also lived and traveled with Jesus to the Churches within the known world at that time. I believe their quotes are accurate, as seen in red letter editions. None of these writers ever thought their writings would ever end up as part of the Bible.

One other point. God does not hate homosexuals. He hates homosexuality. Man was created to reproduce themselves by a union between male and female. It was through the influence of Satan that the seed was put into the human mind to alter that plan. I do not hate homosexuals. It is not a choice. It comes as naturally to them as it does to heterosexuals.

Mike Lorts

Just as Islamic terrorist will be extremely disappointed when they go to meet they're maker because of their warped interpretation of the Koran. I'm afraid MW will be met with the same disappointment because of his interpretation of the Bible.

Mike Lorts

DeWitt,

The last paragraph of your latest post is like one big contradiction.

Michael Kelly

For those genuinely interested the Bible, Old Testament, Book of Genesis, Chapter 18 begining at Verse 4 to the end of Chapter 19, verse 38, GOD DEALS WITH PRACTICES OF HOMOSEXUALITY, CALLS THE PRACTICE "SIN" AND DESTROYS SODOM AND GOMORRAH. End of Story. S and G are modernly located in the Country of Syria. The Brimstone is sitll there. On Site. 

Jesus Christ did not have to explicitly deal with the Sin of Homosexuality, but in the Book or Romans, New Testament, Chapter 1, verses 18 through 32 Paul, an Apostle of Christ, wrote how God looks upon those who practice Homosexuality and Lesbianism, Read it if you are really interested. God's Word is the definitive statement on the Subject of Divergent lifestyles of the homosexual and Lesbian practitioners. I do not personally believe that some people are "Born this Way" because very early in life people begin making choices. That's why Jesus Christ died on the Cross, Died, and Rose Again after 3 days, to defeat the Sentence of Death brought on Mankind by Satan in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve made Sinful Choices   they thought their own desire to disobey God was Justified by their own Choice and the  knowledge they gained from that choice. But they were Wrong. The Remedy for His Creation. God had to Find a Remedy for His Creation and the Jewel of It, the Human Race created by Him in His Own Likeness. We can Reject the  Word of God. It's our Choice, What kind of God would coerce people into accepting Him -------- he would be nothing more than another cheap tinhorn dictator and not worth worshipping because cheap tinhorn dictator's are available to fawn over in almost every neighborhood, every gang has at least one.

Nope, the Real God offers you a Free Choice about who you are gonna be, but part of making a Choice to believe and accept His Salvation is obeying His Word. I keep having to learn that Lesson myself. So you got questions, Read the Bible.