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03/01/25 11:54 AM #14730    

 

Michael Kelly

In my opinion, after watching the meeting between Trump, Zelensky, and Vance, it is nothing to be proud of. It was a setup to get Zelensky to look bad, and give Putin License to do the grab bag on the  Ukraine. Zelensky kept asking for guarantees, because it was "Sign this deal, and then we willl let you know..... " rhetoric. No kind of so called Deal at all. Hegseth had already said NATO membership is out of the question. Trump said you aint getting Donbas back, same with Crimea, and if you don't  sign this "Deal" What was left for Zelensky to say or do. How does he know what to tell Ukrainians. I've thought about this alot. Seems to me it was a SetUp so Zelensky could be made to look bad, like a "Spoiled Child" as someone called him. And then JD Vance giving him a you've been a bad boy lecture, and attacking him about his clothing, which he wears because that is what the Troops in the Trenches are wearing fighting for Ukraine. I think this was not another 'brilliant demonstration of the Art of the Deal": I think it was intended to be a GCF so that Putin would get the go ahead signal to screw Ukraine into the ground, kill old people, babies, and families so he can regain his Private Image of what Russia was like under Catherine the Great however many long years ago, back about the time of the American Civil War. I don't think this is going to work out well for anyone now, only the Hand of God can change it now. No, I haven't become a simpering Democrat, but I have been in enough Situations in Law Practice so that I can recognize when people are Sincere, and when they are :"Just Gaming the System" 

This alleged attempt at making Peace in the Ukrainian Russian War was just giving Putin another excuse, and believe me, if no one else, Putin will use it. It's a Shame. And I voted for Trump, supported him, sent him money, but in my opinion he tripped on his own ----!!!!!


03/01/25 02:57 PM #14731    

 

Frank Wiley

I respect your opinion Michael but Ukraine has always been (maybe not now) the Country with its hand out to the highest bidder.  Remember when Biden was Vice President and told Ukraine to fire the lawyer who was investigating Burisma (Hunters cash cow) or they wouldn't get the money?  (I think it was 6 billion).  Biden actually Bragg about it.  That was after Russia took Crimea.  I like Zelensky but he should have kept his mouth shut and if he had questions he should have ironed them out in private discussions before or after (preferably before) the news conference. Even though he speaks pretty good English there are still miscommunication issues.  I don't know if you saw the interview with Brett Baier after the disaster news conference but twice he needed a translation of Brett's questions.  


03/01/25 05:08 PM #14732    

 

Bill RIHS

Well guys, as a result of yesterday's meeting the EU/NATO including Canada are rallying around Ukrain. So maybe they can get their sh-/ together and do something besides letting us spend our treasures(2/3) of all support to Ukrain. I don't think anyone can guess what Trump's end game is. Let's wait and judge at the end. Having said that, Jim, Mike and Frank all have made great points/observations.


03/01/25 10:28 PM #14733    

 

Michael Kelly

Frank W.  Burisma was the Energy  Company in Ukraine, which my brother Kevin did some research on, and it is a Subsidiary of a Russian Energy Company. Humter Biden was on the Board of Directors for Burisma, and that was at 88 Thousand a Month Salary, with no Energy Experience, but he had the Biden name, and we all know Pops had a Ten Percent Interest in all things Hunter, so Obama sends Biden with 1.6 Billion to aid Ukraine in Defending against a Russian Invasion of Cirmea, and Biden finds out Sonny Boy is being investigated by Ukraines Attorney General. This was in 2014, so Biden, ever the honest, forthright politician, tells the Ukrainian Prime Minister you don't get the 1.6 Billion Ive got in my Poke right here, unless Sonny Boy is dropped from the Prosecution. We all know what happened, Ukraine got the money to fight to keep Crimea and Sonny Boy walked and Joe bragged about it in front of God and everyone else. Yeah, I remember.  Ukraine has been, and still may be again one day, the World's fifth largest  supplier of Wheat and other Grains, but they wont be if Russia takes them over, then everyone will have to kiss Russias ass to get food, and Africans will begin starving to death again as almost always. 

You guys have knocked Trump before, and I was somewhat surprised, and defended him. Right now, after what he did with Vance to Zelensky, I would like to punch him and Vance in the nose. As you say, Zelensky gave an interview to Brett Baier right after the RCF on the NEWS, If anyone is owed an Apoloty, it is Zelensky. Why? Well, as any Leader of a Country would do, if he was asked to sign over the Mineral Rights to a Foreign Country, he's going to ask for some Guarantees. The last time Ukraine got into one of these So called Agreements, in 1994, with the same Suspects, ESPECIALLY RUSSIA, THE US, THE UK, THE GERMANS, THE FRENCH, THE ITALIANS, AND SOME OTHERS TOLD UKRAINE "JUST GET RID OF YOUR NUKES, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE YOUR NEVER ATTACKED, AND WE WILL DEFEND YOU OF YOU ARE" AT THAT TIME UKRAINE HAD THE SECOND LARGEST NUCLEAR STOCKPILE IN THE WORLD, BEING GOOD NATURED SLAVIC PEOPLE, THEY GAVE THEM UP. WHO BROKE THAT TREATY, MORE THAN ONCE, MANY TIMES, GOOD OLD MOTHER RUSSIA. So what Zelensky requested wias very Reasonable, even in the Point of View of Donald J. Trump in his Book "The Art of the Deal" Zelensky asked for some Assurances about what he would not have to give up. NOBODY WANTED TO TELL HIM, HE JUST HAD TO DEAL WITH PERSONAL ATTACKS FROM TWO GROWN MEN WHO SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. POLICY WISE, THIS WAS A DISASTER AND WE ARE NOT NEAR ALL THE FALLOUT FROM IT YET. TRUMP NEEDS TO  RE-READ HIS OWN BOOK, UNLESS IT WAS GHOST WRITTEN, AND HE BETTER READ IT. DIDN'T  DUDLEY DORIGHT HAVE  TO SAVE NELL FROM BEING TIED TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, BECAUSE SNIDELY WHIPLASH GOT HER TO SIGN OVER HER RANCH, AND THEN WHEN SHE WANTED SOME DINERO, HE JUST TIED HER TO THE TRACKS. Zelensky does not want to be tied to the Railroad Tracks, he wants assurances, and so would I.if I were in his Shoes. And thats the Rest of the Story. 


03/02/25 05:38 AM #14734    

 

Frank Wiley

Michael, I agree with you.  I don't want American Boots on the Ground!  Security for Ukraine is a perfect job for the worthless United Nations and troops from Germany, France, and the U.K. If the U.N. won't do it.  It's time for  the E.U. To pressure the U.N. To do it.  

 


03/02/25 11:06 AM #14735    

 

Frank Wiley

I got a call from Paul Sparks and he wanted me to mention that Frank Erickson who is deceased now served in the Army and was on President Nixons Military Honor Guard.  


03/02/25 12:12 PM #14736    

 

Michael Wetzel

Michael Kelly,

I agree with you 100%. What I witnessed was a travesty. I would punch those two jerks out myself ! In front of the whole world no less. I bet the front of putin's pants were wet, after witnessing that debacle.........


03/02/25 12:59 PM #14737    

 

Michael Kelly

Michael W. Frank W., et/ al. I dont think Trump or Vance are right about what they did to Zelensky, and it looked to me like a setup. I don't think it does any good to try to "make a Deal" with Putin. He's a Sociopath and never will do anything without assuring  himself that his love, Mother Russia, which is himself, gets some kind of benefit from said arrangement. As I discussed yesterday, not maybe in pointed language, Putin is in Breach of the so called Deal that the Union of Soviet Socialist  Republics made with  Ukraine way back in 1994 when Billy Boy Clinton was reigning in his glory, and collectively the World got Ukraine to Give up its Nukes, of which they had a bunch. Now Putin will say if asked, why aren't you sticking to that deal, and he  would blithely reply "I represent Russia, not the  USSR". Kinda Like saying What the meaning of is, is? Word Games, typical of a Sociopath The reason to go into this elaborate explanation is to get across the point. Which Zelensky expressed real Concern about. How does Ukraine know whether this  Sociopathic Killer will Keep his Word? Michael W, you hit the nail on the proverbial Head, Putin and his promises is not the Basket  you wanna put your eggs all in, especially at the cost of eggs, billions of Dollars, when you already know the damned Basket has got no Bottom to it, and your'e a Fool to think it does. Zelensky is a HERO for Sticking to His Guns, especially in the face of Big Red and Tont

I think Trump and Musk are doing a damned good Job in hunting out Swindler, Cheats, and Scammers. Maybe General JAck Keane should be placed in Charge of the Peace Negotiations and then it could be labelled the 

TRUMP, ZELENSKY, PUTIN PEACE DEAL  NO WARRANTIES WRITTEN OR IMPLIED INTENDED.

General Jack Keane not to blame if this falls apart in the next five minutes.


03/02/25 02:38 PM #14738    

 

Lester Cox

Bill O'Reilly today:

Volodymyr Zelensky should have called me before he strolled into the White House on Friday. Talk about not being able to read the room. The Big Z is as clueless as a seal pup who waves a Polar Bear over.

If asked, I could have suggested to Zelensky the following facts of life.

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- President Trump believes the $175 billion that the Biden administration has sent to Ukraine is not money well spent.  He thinks the battered country is not trying hard enough to get a ceasefire deal.

- Mr. Trump and every single person in his administration knows Ukraine cannot defeat Putin on the battlefield, so Zelensky has no bargaining power whatsoever.

- In addition, the President wants to placate Putin to a certain extent to get him away from China's orbit. Trump sees massive problems ahead if Putin and Xi partner up to hurt the USA.

- And finally, President Trump has no emotion invested in Ukraine.  In that, he's like President Obama when bad Vlad kidnapped Crimea.

Now, I am not arguing right and wrong here.  Putin's a world-class monster.  He's on the cover of my next book "Confronting Evil". I am telling you exactly what Donald Trump believes, and I'll state one more thing: he's not going to change his mind.

Knowing all that, it was simply foolish for Zelensky to publicly disagree with the man who controls his country's destiny.  Any dissent should have been privately discussed.  By challenging Trump and J.D. Vance publicly, Zelensky loses.  Perhaps everything.  NATO will quickly lose his phone number if Trump bails.

When things cool down, a deal may surface, but Trump will call the shots.  Bad Vlad, of course, is a winner here, and that's a very bad thing.

But Putin has damaged Russia in a huge way and still needs a deal.  So, one might happen.

But it won't be Volodymyr getting the credit.  In fact, he'll be lucky to keep his job.  Ukrainians cannot be happy even if morality is on their side.

We live in an unfair world where power rules.

Zelensky just found that out the hard way.


03/02/25 03:13 PM #14739    

 

Michael Kelly

To replace Zelensky? Perhaps Kiev's Mayor, Vladimir Klitschko.

03/02/25 09:59 PM #14740    

 

Michael Wetzel

Unlike some of you, I do not, subscribe to the theory that Trump has a brilliant mind ! Intelligent yes. Devious, and revengeful yes. An honest, and a good Christian, NO. Would I want to have a beer with him, or live in the same neighborhood with him, hell no...Did I vote for him, of course. I would never, ever vote for any commie/socialist. Do I agree with all of his picks for high office's , no. I also believe He will have trouble with some of them, at some distant point. I also do not agree with everything he is attempting to accomplish, or I wish he would at least try some different approaches to achieve his results...Would I vote for him again, only if there was not a better Conservative Republican choice, that had a chance of winning...These are just some of my personal thoughts I wanted to share with you, like them or not...............


03/02/25 11:53 PM #14741    

 

Earl Harris III

Classmates,

 

It has been two weeks since I last posted a message of any kind, but I have checked in at least every two to three days to see what personal stories and/or political facts or opinions others have posted.

 

The the purpose for me posting today has nothing to do with stories that I would like to tell or hear from you. I’ll save that for a future time. Rather, I want to address some of the comments made on this site most recently regarding Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House. I would also like to offer my opinions on the meeting itself, and where I can, offer sources of information for those opinions and reasons for my biases. I’m hoping that I will be able to engage with fellow classmates with civility and without “poking the bear” as Jim Coats has commented on in the recent past.

 

Let me start by acknowledging what Jim advised all of us in several posts last month. Specifically, Jim reminded us of the fact that Donald Trump won the 2024 election. I will add that he not only won the 2024 presidential election, he did so fairly and squarely. I believe that in doing so, he won most, if not all, of the so-called swing states and a plurality of the votes cast. He won the Electoral College by a significant margin 312 to 226. Source:

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqnemxwvx/ 

 

Not only did he win the 2024 presidential election, he now has the support of Republican-led majorities in the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives. Lastly, the current

U. S. Supreme Court seems to have aligned itself with many of his ideological and political views.

 

Many of you may be wondering why this is even worth mentioning. But, like Jim, I think it’s important not to continually focus on re-litigating the past. Whether you or I like it or not, Donald Trump and the current Republican Party is in power. He is our duly-elected President. He is Jim's President. He’s my President. He’s your President. 

 

The people that he has chosen to assist him, including members of his Cabinet who’ve won Senate confirmation along with support staff that he’s appointed to champion his positions have been and will continue to be choices he has the right to make. You might characterize his choices as “brilliant” or you can choose to view some or all as “disastrous”. Only time will tell.

 

What I have come to understand is that elections have consequences. In the United States of America, it’s a “winners take all” proposition. If Donald Trump had lost this election and/or one or both Houses of Congress, you can bet that he would likely be facing a totally different future, and we, as citizens, would be experiencing a vastly different kind of politics and governance.

 

Simply put, we are where we are today. The voters have spoken, and I, for one, wish to acknowledge the legitimacy of Donald Trump’s presidency. This does not mean that I am in agreement with him, Republicans writ large, or his sizable MAGA base. But, I do believe that as citizens of this great country of ours, its our duty to defend and support the Constitution of the United States, and the generally cherished belief in supporting “the rule of law” in our country. See: https://www.americanbar.org/advocacy/global-programs/who-we-are/rule-law-initiative/what-is-rule-of-law/ for a comprehensive discussion of this notion.

 

With that in mind, I must say that IN MY OPINION the White House meeting was an unmitigated disaster. I was appalled by what transpired. I know that many of you will disagree with me, but I came away shocked and flatly disgusted with the utter disrespect shown the Ukrainian President by arguably the two most powerful political figures in the world, the President and Vice-President of the United States of America.

 

If I were to choose a post that I mostly felt myself aligned with over the past few days, it was Michael Kelly’s initial post on 3/1/25, #15098. Michael is a person that I have disagreed with on occasion, but many of his posts, his stories in particular, where his values and moral compass shine, have left a positive impression on me. 

 

In that post, Michael chose to share an opinion that he knew ahead of time might not ring well with other classmates, particularly those on the right, but he demonstrated courage in doing so. His comments were not MAGA talking points parroted from some right-wing media or news outlet. Thank you, Michael, not because I generally agree with the positions you took, but that you took the courage to voice your opinion in a way that was decent, civil, and most importantly came from the heart. 

 

I support Ukraine’s war effort and would like to see continued support, both militarily and with respect to humanitarian aid, until Russia is defeated and this tragic war comes to an end where Ukraine is proudly victorious. For nearly 3 years, I have flown a flag at the end of my driveway that announces: “We support Ukraine!” I have sympathy for democratically elected governments throughout the world that have fought against violent occupation, annexation and/or unprovoked wars waged by despotic, power-hungry aggressors. 

 

I have always counted on the United States to be on the side of supporting democracies abroad and in working with allies in support of peoples and nations fighting for their freedoms. I am concerned that we may have switched sides, or that we are about to, in this fight at a time when capitulation to Putin’s Russia makes no sense, at least to me. It is only with our strong support and the continuing support of our European allies that the anticipated three-day takeover by Russia of Ukraine that has lasted three years will finally come to an end. 

 

Part of my orientation comes as a result of having lived abroad in countries that have experienced terrorism and wars. During the thirty years I spent as an educator, both here in the United States and abroad, ten years as a teacher and school administrator were spent living and working in a number diverse counties, namely Peru, Ethiopia, Niger and Latvia. 

 

In our last assignment before we retired, Cindy was the Director of the International School of Latvia where I also volunteered my time to set up the school’s initial involvement in International Baccalaureate (IB) Program for high school students.

 

Our home in Latvia was located two blocks from the Bay of Riga. In order to enjoy a day at the beach, I had to walk through a quarter-mile of a sandy, forested terrain all the while knowing that below my feet buried in mass graves were the bodies of hundreds, if not thousands of men, women and children executed by the Nazis. The holocaust in Latvia during the German occupation from 1941 to 1944 resulted in the murder of 70,000 Jews, approximately 3/4 of the pre-war total of 93,000 mostly by the Einsatzgruppen, or Nazi mobile killing units, who targeted mostly Jews, but also communists, Romani people, the mentally ill, and homosexuals. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Latvia

 

Adding to the horrors experienced by the Latvian people, the forced and illegal Soviet occupation of Latvia from 1940-41and later from 1944-1991 also included mass executions, deportations to Siberia and general repression of the native population. It wasn’t until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in September, 1991, that Latvia, along with Lithuania and Estonia, finally regained their independence. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Baltic_states

 

Cindy and I were in Latvia from 2003-2005. It was during that time that Latvia became a part of NATO and a member of the European union. During that time we came to know the U.S. ambassador to Latvia well. The second in command, the Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM) was a good friend of ours. He had previously spent time serving as the U.S. Embassy representative on the Board of Directors at the American International School in Niamey, Niger where Cindy and I had worked previously. We were able to hear about and witness firsthand some of the hard work that went into ensuring Latvia’s independence and security. 

 

The Baltic States, thriving, free an independent for 20+ years, are understandably nervous today. There is no secret regarding the fact that Putin would like to bring them back into the fold. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania all fear that aggressive actions might be taken by Russia that could include occupation by military force. The only thing, IN MY OPINION, preventing an aggressive takeover is the fact that they are now members of NATO. The United States is part of NATO for good reason. If we abandon our allies in Europe, if we should resign our participation in NATO, they fear…and I concur…that Russia will seize the opportunity gobble up these relatively small, but democratic nations.

 

Perhaps I will have more to say in future posts about my views on the war, including some controversial comments made with respect to America’s and European nations’ funding of the Ukrainian war effort. In the meantime, it will be interesting to see what Americans think about the fallout from the White House meeting and the most recent signaling of policy changes towards Russia and Ukraine.


03/03/25 07:48 AM #14742    

 

Frank Wiley

Interesting Earl that every country you mentioned has Rotary Clubs including Russia and Ukraine.  In fact Russia has 127 Rotary Clubs with approximately 1,200 Members.  I would think that pretty much all of those members are appalled at what's going on in Ukraine based on Rotarys main mission of "World Understanding and Peace".  Because Rotary vetts every dollar spent Internationally I wish all foreign aid had to go through Rotary.  Millions, if not Billions of our Foreign aid money goes right in the pockets of corrupt leaders.  It's obvious that Our Government is not being efficient with our money especially when we are 35+ Trillion in debt. Ukraine was very critical of our leadership sitting down and talking with Russia in Saudi Arabia without them being there.  Based on what happened in the Oval Office, can you imagine what would have happened in the Saudi Meeting if Ukraine had been there.  Thanks!!


03/03/25 08:49 AM #14743    

 

David Rainwater

Earl, thanks for sharing a bit of European history and your history as well!  I, too, hope Ukraine is successful in repelling the invasion by Russia.  42 years ago next Saturday it was described as the ‘evil empire’ and now it is rumored Secretary Hegseth has ordered US Cyber Command to stop all planning against Russia, including offensive digital actions. Our Commander-in-Chief from last Friday:  “Putin went through a hell of a lot with me,” Trump said. “He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia… Russia, Russia, Russia—you ever hear of that deal?—that was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, scam. Hillary Clinton, shifty Adam Schiff, it was a Democrat scam. And he had to go through that. And he did go through it, and we didn’t end up in a war. And he went through it. He was accused of all that stuff. He had nothing to do with it. It came out of Hunter Biden’s bathroom.”  I wish I understood the rationale for this one-eighty…it's scary.


03/03/25 09:08 AM #14744    

 

DeWitt Bacon

Michael K., I've always respected and mostly agreed with your opinions. As I said before, everything we post is, for the most part, an opinion. I do not believe that Trump and Vance set this up. I think that they were both surprised by Zelenski's reaction. Sure, the rare-earth mineral deal would have been good for America, but it also would have been beneficial for Ukraine. Ukraine can never win a war against Russia on its own. Zelenski wants guarantees that Russia will not go back on any deal Trump engages in. Sorry sir, but there are no guarantees in life except death. And you have had enough of those. He does not seem to realize that Trump is correct in that this continued engagement could lead to nukes being used, which could lead to Armageddon. Putin could decide any day that enough is enough and drop the big one on Kiev, I hope that Ukraine will elect a new leader that is willing to take a chance striking a deal to end this war.


03/03/25 09:31 AM #14745    

 

Jim Coats

OPINIONS are like a**holes.  Everyone has one.  So, buckle up, buttercup.  Here we go.  Here's one a**hole's OPINION.

First.  Housekeeping OPINION.  Interesting to see Earl back.  HOWEVER Earl, coincidental to your treatise that was huge, wide and laden with LINKS, my phone has had a problem.  I have had problems in the past under similar "circumstances" and I have mentioned it to Patty and on this Forum and nobody could explain why it happened.  Others said they experienced the same problem.  The problem eventually went away after the "offending post" was left in the dust.  Also, I don't know if you pasted your "COMMENTS" on the Message Forum, but the content extends outside the margins of all other posts that appear on my phone and that is "coincidental" to some information on the CHS website becoming almost microscopic and not fitting the page I am on left to right.  I don't know if I'm right or wrong...it just IS.  To conclude, I'm sorry Earl, but I'm not too interested in your huge post.  I think we need to keep it down if we want to maintain or expand readership.

Second.  I have clearly stated for many years on this Forum that my major "suggestion" for the government was represented by my "Bumper Sticker" that was to SECURE THE BORDER!  After that, move on to the task of moving the ILLEGAL ALIENS out of our country and try to calm the economy down.  It looks like we're headed that way now without the help of democrats.  They have shown their true colors.

I feel the same way about what just happened between Trump and Zelenskyy.   DO THE RARE EARTH/MINERAL DEAL and then move on to what's next.  I have expounded on my reasons for this in previous posts and I won't bore you with a redundancy.  Read or not...I don't care.  But I'm tired of this crap.

Finally.   Regarding Trump.  I will provide this redundancy for your viewing pleasure.  I DO NOT give a damn about his mannerisms, words or tone.  I ONLY care about his results.  NOBODY on this Forum knows what's in his head OR what the outcome will be.  It's all just OPINIONS.  Since I have NO choice, I intend to wait and see how things pan out.  

AMERICA FIRST!!  DO THE DEAL IN UKRAINE!!  SECURE THE BORDER!!


03/03/25 09:49 AM #14746    

 

DeWitt Bacon

Earl, since you don't post that often, I have had little reason to reply to you, but I felt the need to in your last post. I respect and agree with much of what you say, and I appreciate the way you approach this topic in a logical and well-thought-out manner. As I told Michael, Ukraine cannot win a war against Russia. The only way to achieve peace in that region is through negotiation. A successful negotiation means that each side has to be willing to give a little. That is what Trump was trying to tell Zelenski, but Zelenski would not accept that. Although the banter may have gotten heated, I do not believe that Trump and Vance were disrespecting him. They were trying to talk sense to him. 

P.S. Thanks to you and your wife for serving as educators.

To those who say Zelenski was not disrespecting the decorum of the White House by wearing the T-shirt of his military. How many world leaders have come to the White House wearing the fatigues of their military?

 


03/03/25 02:25 PM #14747    

 

Michael Wetzel

I know space must be limited, following the book printed above. Half of which was previously hashed out at least on two different occasions, so I will be brief...There's a very interesting read taken from an article titled, " Ukrainians show off their ' suits ' after Trump's criticism of Zelensky's attire ". This was from The Washington Post, it is accompanied with numerous pictures. It is well worth reading, and viewing..............


03/03/25 03:28 PM #14748    

 

Earl Harris III

DeWitt,

I'm glad that you took the time to read my post. Your response was respectful and kind. Our takeaways on what transpired at the meeting were markedly different, but it shows that civil exchanges can occur without rancor where there is disagreement. Thank you.

With respect to your last comment, I would like to offer a counter view regarding Zelenskyy's arrival at the White House wearing a black sweater featuring the Ukrainian trident (also displayed on the Ukrainian flag) along with military fatigues and boots. He has worn this attire on other State visits, sometimes in a slightly scaled-down version, on previous occasions to the U.S. and around the globe as a show of solidarity with his soldiers fighting and dying on the front lines.

Photos of Zelenskyy's  military war-time attire have drawn comparisons to the that worn by Winston Churchill when he visited the White House in 1941 when the British were at war with Hitler's Germany. People have posted both negative and positive comments regarding the comparison. I just thought it would be appropriate to share this fact with you.

Best wishes and thanks.

P. S. As I was about to post my message above, I read Michael Wetzel's post, #15115 with interest. I hadn't read the Washington Post article and appreciated his reference to it. I agree it's well worth reading and viewing. Thanks, Michael.

 

 


03/03/25 09:29 PM #14749    

 

Michael Kelly

Thank you Mr. Harris, for  your input and much of it I consider very interesting, and has improved my view of current events. DeWitt, as ever you are a knowledgeable and fair minded observer, and I appreciate it. Having reflected upon the Disastrous Meeting which if anything, seems an Inoculation against any Peace Treaty in the Future, Near anyway. I was reminded of History and the nasty follow through that befell Ukraine after they gave away their Nukes with promises of eternal protection and Peace from the Soviet Union, the UK, us Americaners, France, and others which Russia has breached numerous times, with no one to rebuke them, No wonder anyone who is worth their Weight in Political Gravitas, which Zelensky is/was, is going to get some Guarantees to take back to his Supporters as grist for the Mill of a Reasonable Expectation of Real Peace. This was in 1994.

Instead, it was like a kid going to the Doctor for the first time, "Here Johnny. open wide, take thiis dollop of Medicine" and then the nurse dumped down your throat this nasty tasting shit that could be Elephant Dooky given its consistency, and then they grabbed your Nose and you were forced to swallow it. Boy, the next time, you were by golly going to get an Orange Sucker BEFORE YOU SWALLOWED THE NASTY STUFF.

So, your Zelensky, you nave not done this with the Orange Meany and his Cohort before, with Biden, he just smiled and supposedly said "Remember, I am a Ten Percent Man" and your people are dying, at least that's the newest theory. Meanwhile, these two guys aren't even offering you a Sucker, before the Pen is thrust at you and a gruff voice, says SIGN NOW. STILL NO SUCKER, SO YOU ASK, WHERE'S THE SUCKER, AND ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL, YOUR UNGRATEFUL, YOUR CLOTHES REMIND ME OF A HOMELESS GUY I THROW QUARTERS AT. YOU ARE INVITING WW III. Put yourself in Zelensky's shoes, or maybe Sandals, and think about it. Would you sign. Really, with not a word except Pete Hegseth saying You can forget NATO Membership, Vance Saying  Forget Dombas, forget Crinea. Now there's what you have to take home to Olaf, Yana, Anastasia, Lidiya, etc. etc. So Zelensky is sensing a SET UP  Your right Zelensky, Bill O'Reilly says so, so does Judge Janine on Fox News, but you get no sympathy, just "WELL YOU KNOW THE WORLD IS NOT A FAIR PLACE' THE SENTENCE EVERYONE IS LEAVING OUT, AND THE ONE WE NEED TO INCLUDE IS YOU ARE IN THE UNENVIABLE POSITION OF BEING IN THE CHAIR WITH THE STRAPS, AND PUTIN THE SOCIOPATH IS YOUR OPPONENT, HE WANTS YOUR FIRST BORN, YOUR LAND,AND TO KILL YOU FOR OPPOSING HIM, OR EVEN SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 

I heard one Liberal leaning Magazine Publisher, I think it was the Atlantic, and he said 'The thing that is wrong here, is that neither Country is ready to give up yet, and its not Ripe for a Peace Treaty" It won't be until one of them is ready to give up. A Fight to the Death. How to end it, this will sound Crazy, but here goes. 

Ukraine has a man, a Canadian, who fights in the Ukraine Army, and he now holds the Record for the longest recorded Sniper Shot. over 3 miles, or close because everything is in Kilometers nowadays. The Round, I beleve it is the Ukrainian Round that is over .50 a Fifty Caliber Round, but their round is larger in circumference. putin does a lot of hiding in varuous bunkers nowadays. Afraid of what his Insanity will bring him from us timid, sane people. Trump needs to figure this out. He loves buildings so much, take a look on YouTube of what Putin has done to Ukraine, whole cities, once hundreds of thousands of occupants, now people living in the ruins next to the dogs and cats. Well then why Didn't Zelensky Sign. Look at it, People living in Ruins need more than maybe you will get a yellow sucker after this next Round of Medicine.

I THINK I WOULD WANT MY NUKES BACK, OR GIVE THE CANADIAN GUY A MONTH IN THE BAHAMAS IF HE WOULD JUST GIVE PUTIN A HAIRCUT, OR  

Now Mr. President, you are a strong man, and so you must know that strong men, know when they have screwed the Pooch, they need to admit it, and go back and re-think what has happened, and make some changes in behavior even when you feel you are right, even justified in being insulted, but you recognize that the moment, and the day, and week, and months, and years are of greater import than your own feelings, So for the Sake of the real Posslbility of a Lasting Prevention of more Wholesale Killing, Won't you Call Putin, tell him he needs to give up his Nukes, and sit down with Zelensky and MAKE A PEACE THAT LASTS. FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK IT IS POSSIBLE BUT WHAT DO I KNOW. GIVE IT A TRY AND THEN YOU CAN BRAG ABOUT IT LATER, FOR IT WILL BE SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT. 


03/04/25 07:18 AM #14750    

 

Frank Wiley

Last night the Democrats showed how sick they are.  They stopped a Bill to protect Girls in Girls Sports programs by siding with transgender men allowing them to beat up on girls and enter the girls locker/shower rooms.  Not even 9 Democratic Senators would cross over to halt this sick policy.  80+% of the American people agree with the Republicans!!


03/04/25 10:09 AM #14751    

 

DeWitt Bacon

Earl and Michael, both of your points are well taken. It's good that some of us can discuss our differences respectfully. I just can't see the logic in supporting an unwinnable war. Regarding Zelensky's choice in garb, I understand his support for Ukrainian troops this way. However, a certain decorum should be in order when meeting with the leader of a country you expect to get help from—just my opinion.


03/04/25 10:11 AM #14752    

 

DeWitt Bacon

Frank, all I can say about your last post is 'DEMOCRATS DO WHAT DEMOCRATS DO'. What more can you expect?


03/04/25 12:41 PM #14753    

 

Michael Kelly

Good News, Fox News just posted a Statement from Zelensky that the Ukrainians want Peace, and are willing to be on Board with Trump's proposed Peace Agreement. I believe meeting between the European's and Trump, and Zelensky and the Europeans has made a difference. Apparently Putin sunk a Freighter leaving Odessa thinking it was laden with Weapons from whoever for Ukraine, it was actually a Cargo Ship from Sweden and it brings into play Article Five of the NATO Agreement. The European Nations are talking about having a Force of 100,000 Troops along the Borders of the European Nations with Russia. 


03/04/25 12:42 PM #14754    

 

Jim Coats

Frank.  Re: your 15118.  Despicable of the dems to not protect girls/women.  So that everyone is clear:

1.  The dems think it's ok for boys/men with superior strength to "compete" against girls/women.

2.  The dems think it's ok for boys/men to go into girls/women's locker rooms and bathrooms.

The left have completely lost their minds.  Scum!


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